Wednesday, May 24, 2006

Evil. I Love It.

The Evil Reverend promises news today on the Last Boy Scout.

Oh, my. What a very big day.

I may have to take a nap before checking back in with the Rev.

106 comments:

Anonymous said...

Come on HRC you are too good to pay lip service to this moron. It's just the same tired rumour he has posted before. Calling it news and hyping it if far beneath you.

n0madic said...

If I remember correctly, HRC, you've suggested that Hastert's wife and cronies have been buying up land along the path of the forthcoming Hastert Highway. And that the Hasterts paid, what was it, over $2 million in cash for their new spread over by Plano? So why is it that folks like The Evil Reverend only seem to be interested in spreading feeble rumors about Laesch, I wonder? Why isn't the Rev as interested in looking into the rumors about Hastert to see if there's any substance to them? Who actually has been buying property that the Hastert Highway is going to turn into a goldmine? That would be interesting to know and should be fairly straightforward to find out. And did the Hastert's really pay that much for their new place? Did they really pay cash? How could they afford a property like that on their salaries? Seems to me somebody back there ought to be able to do some digging to see if the Hasterts might have been playing around with a whole lot more cash than their careers in the Yorkville Public School system and Denny's as a, uh, 'public servant' (public speaking fees included) should have generated. Maybe they have, maybe they haven't, but it's a fair question. And it seems to me that The Evil Reverend should be every bit as much interested in these questions about Hastert as he is in sliming Laesch. Unless, of course, he would actually be quite happy to see Hastert re-elected.

Anonymous said...

Franlky IHMO we should be real careful at this point. With the summer comming up Democrats do not need these kind of rumors spearding because it undermines the entire ticket. So far John has proven to be a well intentioned and has earned my trust with his Honesty and his dedication to the people of the 14th District. I have been around the campagin and have never heard this garbage that this Rev person will have you think is true. I will support John until I have a reason not too. John is the best thing to ever have happended to the Democratic Party. If you truly want change then you should ignore rumors and trust your candiate our job is hard enough here so take my word for it these rumors are not true. John needs evryones support and not there nonsense

Anonymous said...

What is needed is a real Democratic canidate with some real backing. Hastert is a known crook and this Laesch roumor has been going around for months. Even if Hastert were to be found guilty of murder before the election he would still win. The people there in Kendall will vote for him no mater what.

So who's running in '08 if Hastert retires?

Anonymous said...

Just Happended to check out the rev's blog and hadn't heard that rumor. WoW could it be true intresting reading anyway. To Nomadic here is a clue Our JOB as Democrats are to present our arguement to the Voters. We are not here to make Denny's case. Why should the rev worry about Denny because in your own words" he is a big dumb goof who id he is guilty the facts will come to light. As far as the Democrats we have a little problem called reality in our nomination for Congress here in the 14th. With public opinion on our side we have a total goof who wouldn't know the truth if it came up and hit him in the face. All he wants to do is have everyone serve his purpose. This man is as sincere as Gearge Bush is about really wanting to end the war on terror. America does not need another con man instead we really need strong leadership. To John Laesch I hope these rumors are not true and to the Central Committee of Kendall County since you brought this goof to the forefront and you are his biggest supporters the truth is you have a mess on your hands and hope Heavy J and the crew are up for the task.

Anonymous said...

Hey, if John is guilty of anything, someone pay the $30 ad run a background check on Leasech.
That way we can settle this, once and for all. I like John, but come on, he's our only hope. Obi Wan!

Anonymous said...

I would like to hear from John about this rumor. I think comming on to 50 miles out and calling this rumor a lie would end the rumors and here say and would allow him to focus his attention to defeating hasert. After all John is our only hope and the sooner he addresses these rumors the sooner we can all move forward and get him elected to congress.

Tom Brophy said...

Since "the vile rearend" won't allow me to post on his site (ya gotta love that bit of cowardice!), I'll try to comment here.

If Laesch truly did these things - let's take him out back and beat the crap out of him...if not, let's take the vile rearend out back and beat the crap out of him for working so hard at dividing the Democrats of the 14th District.

Look, here's the bottom line, if you have proof - BRING IT ON (Like Denny's buddy "W" says). So far, all I've seen is "rumor has it"....that's a real bullshit thing to do - especially when Hastert is up against the ropes and trying to sue ABC. C'mon rearend - get a clue!

Yes, it's true that the rearend sent this info to me in an e-mail a few months ago. By the way, he also told me that I should run for party chairman because I would be best for the job - only now, I'm an asshole in his blogs. OUr buddy the vile rearend is doing mor flipping and flopping than a fish out of water at this point. I gotta say that none of this lends to his credibility - at least not with me. I asked him months ago to give us proof of these allegations - I'm still waiting for his reply and the proof.

Since that time, I've googled everything I can to see if there is ANYTHING negative about John Laesch out there - I can't find anything. John Laesch is squeeky clean.

I say it's time to stop bashing fellow democrats - let's get back to the job at hand and get Democrats elected to office.

HRC - this blog started out with some great information and thoughtful commentary about Dennis Hastert. Now it seems like you're devoting almost as much time bashing democrats as you are Hastert. I think you need to get this back where it started.

There are some GREAT candidates running in Kendall County -Joe Plocher and John Crawford can pose a serious threat in Kendall District 1 for County Board. Liz Flowers has a chance in District 2, but we've all got to get out and work for her. She needs to get out there as well and give us some information as to her strengths and how she stands on issues - I'm sure that is forthcoming. Linda Holmes and Frank Craig are great candidates for the State Senate, Joe Serra is being slated in for the State House. Finally, we've got John Laesch who is giving Hastert a run for his money. Ruben Zamora got 42% in my precinct last time, I'm shooting for 51% for Laesch this time.

The repug's have got to be loving this crap. The more bullshit that goes on within the party, the less bullshit Hastert and the like have to deal with. C'mon folks - GIVE IT A REST - IT'S TIME TO GET DEMOCRATS ELECTED TO OFFICE!!

Instead of spending your time banging on other democrats, try spending it getting those democrats elected!

Anonymous said...

Open response to Tom Brophy.
First off you should write Greeting cards with your you grasp of the English Lanuge. 2nd you are a pussy with a big mouth and you have anger mangement issues. 50 miles out is a free speech zone isn't this in your progressive platform about protecting free speech. So Tom here we have you again misrepresnting your self telling all of us to trust your opinion or you will beat the crap out of all of us if we do not fall in line with John Laesch. Note to Chairman Birch" Here is the party line John is the most imporant person on the ticket, if you have a differing opinion you are area republican and memebers of the central committee will come to your house and beat the crap out of you if you do not listen to the central committee and oh yeah there are 2 decent canidiates running for county Board in district 1. And Liz Flowers has not gotten back to Tom so she and the Flowers Family are not good Democrats and we should beat the crap out of the old chairman. GEE Tom Does that sum up the party line. So now that we have all been threatended again by Tom please plan on attending the next central committee meeting on the 4th Monday of every month at the
yorkville Panera Bread at 7pm. Please RSVP so Tom will know who to beat the crap out of. And if you want to see Tom in action plan on attending. pfgydp

iamyourtruthsayer said...

I too hope to God that the rumor is false. I agree with the post that suggests that John put an end to this once and for all by supplying proof that these allegations are mearly the work a misinformed mind. I agree that our job as dems is to work to promote democrats and party ideals. If however there is any truth to this report, I can not morally support a candidate who is capable of this type of behavior. There is a reason that Blair Hull did not win the nod for Senate. If this is true and "Obi Wan" is our only hope, then there is a great disturbance in the force. But hey Tom if you want to go around kicking the crap out of people I am beginning to see why you are such a big supporter of John's

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to weigh in on the discussion. I do not know if John is guilty or not really in the long run it will not matter. Where I am from there is a saying boys will be boys. John was a young man when this incident was to have taken place. I know John here in the present. He is a bright and dedicated person who wants to make a change. He is an american patriot and he pratices what he preaches. Good ehtics, clean living, strong morals, and he had the courage to stand up for what he belives in. Tom Brophy is my friend he never said anything about wishing harm on any body. If you knew Tom the way I do then you would change your mind. He to is an american patriot who wants to end the free ride and begin to have people earn their way again. If you want to know our stradegy then come to our meeting. We are untied in the cause of ending the free hand out and getting people back to work. Corporate America is our common enemy not John Laesch. John is just like you an average hard working american who will make the tough decsions that will preserve America. So we really do not have time to waste this is an imporant weekend for the progressive democrats and we need to band to together and send our fighting democrat to washington. Rumors are not imporant facts are and that is what our campagin is all about facts. I dare people to prove us wrong.

Tom Brophy said...

You gotta love an anonymous response - especially when the ""anonymous" person calls me a pussy and tells me I have anger issues...what ajoke. At least when I call someone a pussy - I let them know it's me saying it...nice job anon...who's the pussy now.

As far as going out and beating the crap out of everyone who disagrees with me...where in the world did that come from...I suggested we beat the crap out of one of two people..John Laesch (if the "rumor" is true or the vile rearend for starting the unfounded rumor and and whisper campaign. Nobody else. Finally, the Liz Flowers thing is way out of left field...I said she has a chance in District 1...that means she's a good candidate...as soon as I know what her platform is I intend to get it out within my precinct..better to wait than make shit up as they say. I've not talked with Liz about her run, I assumed she would contact those of us she wants help from - LIKE EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE DOES. Nonetheless, she will be a good candidate who absolutely has a chance of winning - if WE ALL GET TO WORK. BTW, thank you for reiterating my point that there are 2 good candidates in District 1 - that is what I said ans still stand by that.

You've missed the entire point of my ranting...WE NEED TO STOP THIS BULLSHIT AND START WORKING FOR CANDIDATES. If you don't like the candidates who have chosen to run (NONE WERE CHOSEN BY ANY GROUP OR COMMITTEE), then join the other side and work against them. If you want to see Democrats elected, start working toward that end!

I can't wait to see what kind of spin you will put on these comments. Also, HRC, thank you for not censoring my posts and I truly apologize that your blog has become the place to discuss some of the posts by TEV - he apparantly doesn't have the courage you do in this regard.

iamyourtruthsayer said...

response to tdbrophy I cant help but see that you have done a complete turnaround. You've gone from declaring HRC to be former chair Marty Flowers and declaring you'd never return to this blog, to being complimentary, expousing the courage of HRC. When did your sentiments toward HRC change Tom? You've accused others of flip-flopping, is this just another example of your hypocracy?

Anonymous said...

Dear Tom,
I just want to take a few moments of your time to set the record straight. First off thank you for comming back here we hope you and the other progressives will return as well. You make some valid points such as John Crawford and Arden will make a great team in district one. 2nd time you live in district 2 and Elizabeth Flowers is a fine candiate as well. Where I Differ from you on your take of the local poltical scence is with the fact that once again the 2nd election in a row you are openly excluding two fine Democrats in Ruby Gregg and Ken Musich. Do not even say they are not serious about running because by your own words you have not spoken to any of the county board campagins other than Arden. You speak of unity and want to see a change and all Democrats working together but once again you are representing the chairman and yet you leave off 2 fellow democrats and only mention the people you like. You make these outlandish charges during the primary about the past adminstration and yet here you are doing the same thing you accussed the former officers of doing. Tom you speak of cerditablity again are you speaking on behalf of the Central Committee empowered by the chair or again are you trying to mislead people and have them belive there are only 3 people running for county board. Well Tom again you are trying to Deny the resdients of the 4th precinct a choice in who wishes to represent them on the county board. By your own admission you are reaching out to only 3 candiates and you have also stated that you only truly care about your precinct first. However 2 people who thought enough about change took the time to fill out the proper paperwork and go out and run for the county board. You boggle my mind with your selective perception of the events. You will support 2 people who do not represent your area and will not support two people who are running to grant you a voice in county goverment from your district. You talk about spin well We call it selecitve perception. Once again Tom you have only made the case that there is no room in your Democratic Party for people who dont measure up to your personal standards. I guess this is the party line from the central committee.

iamyourtruthsayer said...

I just re-read the information from tdbrophy. It did not strike me the first time I read it, but reading the lastest from anon made me look again. I am curious as to why after all the malicious things Mr. Brophy has continuously said about Mr. Flowers, his efforts to (paraphrasing the evil rev) "overthrow" Mr. Flowers as chair...why he thinks that Ms. Flowers would come to HIM for anything. Anon also made a good point in that district 2 has 3 dem candidates. Ruby and Ken have been long time dems. They have been directly involved in rebuilding this organization for nearly 15 years. Why instead of supporting such long time dedicated dems such as these 2 individuals would Mr. Brophy and the central commitee write them off? Another curiosity is Arden Plocher. Apparntly he was not good enough to be a commiteeman since the Birch camp threw him off...but he is good enough for them to support for county board?? It seems the Birch camp was more interested in getting rid of Flowers than they were in doing the work of the party (fielding candidates for local offices.) So much so, that they are now scrambling to recover these candidates to lend themselves some credibilty. The new approach seems so sincere really it does.

Anonymous said...

After reading your comments Mr. Brophy the only thing I can say is they are Hot. The passion of the words fuels a fire deep inside of me. I see your wisdomn in your grasp of the english lanuge when you swear just at the right time you explode off the page to me. I long for another love letter my prince. Please hurry back Lover.
The Presdient of the Tom Brophy Fan Club. Big Bubba
P.S.
I am RSVPing for the next central committee meeting I really am look foward to Tom spanking me. I will bring the whip big boy. See ya soon.

Tom Brophy said...

I realize that there are 3 people running for County Board in District 2. I personnaly believe that Liz Flowers has a chance of wining where Ken and Ruby do not. Also, I personnally like both Ruby and Ken. They are both very kind people. I've never seen anyone walk a precinct like Ken Musich - the guy is an animal (that's a good thing). I do know, however, that this will come down to the WSPY debate and the debate in the Ledger - once that happens, neither Ken or Ruby have a chance. During the last election Marty attended the debate for Ken and read a statement on Ken's behalf - that was a smart move, but not one that would inspire people to vote for him. I know that Arden, John, and Liz can handle themselves in any debate as well as in the Ledger. By the way, I have put all three candidates names out on my web site and included them in the brochure I handed out for the primary (I don't remember Marty doing anything like that for the candidates). I will continue to get their names out there but when asked who I personnally would vote for, I will say Liz Flowers.

Regarding HRC, I give credit where credit is due - the vile rearend has not allowed me to respond to any of his lies - HRC has allowed me to respond on this site. That, in my opinion, is more than gracious and I do appreciate that. I don't necessarily agree with everything that's put out here as HRC doesn't agree with my opinoins regarding the Kendall County Democratic organization. Then again - opinions are like assholes - everybody has one.

As for "speaking on behalf of the central commitee empowered by the chair" - RIGHT! Just like I was when Marty was chairman - I am not on the executive board of that organization and have NEVER pretended to represent them. As in the past, I REPRESENT TOM BROPHY.

You talk about supporting long time Democrats - why can't we all just support qualified DEMOCRATS. The more that gets put out here, the more this seems like "the old hating the new" - give it a rest and let's get to work on the repugs!

As for John Laesch - if you have proof of any allegations - put it out here. You say he should come and prove he didn't do these things - that's ridiculous. If this were a libel trial, you would have to prove your allegations are true. I have not been able to find anything negative about John Laesch. Someone made a statement that it costs $30.00 for a background investigation. I'll pay for it - how do I make that happen? Would that cause you to stop the rumor mill and whisper campaign?

As I've said before, I have work to do - I need to help our candidates get elected.

Anonymous said...

How do you do it? I'd suggest a little search of court records, Mr. Brophy. Amazing what you might find!

Anonymous said...

p.s. If anyone wants a character reference on Mr.Laesch, I'd suggest beginning with some of his tactics during the primaries. Despite the fact that many of our candidates are decent, committed individuals who want to advance the Democratic party in kendall County, Mr. Laesch is not...be careful what you wish for, because you may, in fact, get it.

Anonymous said...

extra extra read all about it!
Today the Kendall County Democrats released an offical statement by party insider Tom Brophy regarding the current standing of the two county board candiates and the support they will receive in November "I personnally like both Ruby and Ken. They are both very kind people. I've never seen anyone walk a precinct like Ken Musich - the guy is an animal (that's a good thing). I do know, however, that this will come down to the WSPY debate and the debate in the Ledger - once that happens, neither Ken or Ruby have a chance."

In the IHMO this is an unwarranted attack by the progressive democratic party of Kendall County.
Statements clearly that reflect the official word of County Central Committee. motives of the party leadership is to exclude and sink the viablity of Democrats here in Kendall County. Elections are clearly won on the doors and by Oswego Township Democratic chairman Tom Brophy's own admission Mr. Musich and Ms. Greg are clearly strong campaginers. With the support of the Central Committee these two fine candiates could do well in a debate setting. Both candiates are ready and willing to work with the central committee however through the actions taken by " Tom Brophy the underlying message here will be lip service support from the central committee and township leaders. It should also be noted that in 2004 Mr.Musich and current county chairman Jim Birch both appeared on the ballot for the postion of county board and Mr. Musich Delivered a higher percentage of the vote than current county chairman Jim Birch. It should also be noted here that Ruby Gregg was the Vice Chairman of the Democratic party and a long time part suppoter. Of note the 5 county board candiates that are seeking office were hand picked by the past party chair and through the primary had the backing of the Kendall County Regular Democratic Organzation. Elizabeth Flowers and Arden Plochard came out of the Young Democrats of Kendall chapter. Ruby Gregg came out of the Central Committe in a leadership role. John Crawford comes from the out reach committee and was also on the communcations committee and long time party supporter. John was also just elected to the Central Committee as Precinct Committemen. Ken Musich has been precinct committmen in Oswego 8 for 6 years longtime party organizer. Past chairman of the outreach committee and long time supporter of the Kendall County Democratic Party. Now clearly Mr. Brophy likes to leave out parts of the story. It is the hope of many people who are following poltics here in kendall county that this is not the offical postion of the party or the other campagins here in Kendall. The actions taken by Mr. Brophy and his personal agenda needs to be stopped. If other members of the party are reading this take the case of these tow fine people back to Chairman Birch and the other party officers and hold Mr. Brophy accountable. After all aren't we the party of inclusion and not exclusion.

Tom Brophy said...

You're obviously having a reading comprehension issue - go back and re-read my last post again. If you want to know who I'm speaking for - re-read the 3rd paragraph - you idiot!

Anonymous said...

And so you represent only yourself -- what a joke! Obviously your misguided ideas come from somewhere, because you obviously don't have the ability to think for yourself.

Anonymous said...

Well spoken if we remeber Mr. Brophy is one the three pillars of the progressive movement. Jim Birches Left testicle. Jim Feeleys right nut. And John Laesch ass wipe. From these various Tom Brophy plays the imporant of being their minion or underling. Tom Brophy does not make a move with out checking with the council. Tom is a fine foot soilder on behalf of the porgressives. His leadership qualties have been called into question by the leadership of the party. They feel he makes a better spokesmen who carries out orders nice instead of rewarding Tom for all his hardwork. I really hope that Tom will be rewarded for his fine work in underming the party for 2 years. After all we all need a fall guy and an asshole in will be the grunt it appears this role suites Tom Brophy just fine. Well thanks for all your hard work Tom your is appericated by the republicans and denny hasert. Thank you please KIT.
P.S.
You are a turn coat piece of shit and wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit you on your scurvy face.

Tom Brophy said...

And yet another cowardly response from an anonymous source...and one who obviously forgot to run their post past the English teacher...

You started addressing my earlier post..be a man and address those issues that you brought up - stop creating more bullshit to move away from the orginal point. That's a move taken directly from the Karl Rove palybook.

By the way, the left testicle thing has been used to death - can't you be more creative? Also, who in the world did I "turn" on? I know it's not the Democratic voters in my precinct - they are the only ones who count. Are you upset that I couldn't take the way Marty Flowers ran the Democratic organization like a dictator and did something about it - like help organize the Democratic community to ensure he would not be re-elected as Chairman? Still sounds like sour grapes to me - GET OVER IT!

Are you ever going to get back to Ken, Ruby and Liz?

theunknown1 said...

Tom, the best thing you can do for Ken, Ruby and Liz is keep your mouth shut. Each of them is quite capable of taking care of him/herself provided that you and your band of small-minded progressives don't attempt to undermine them. Candidates rise or fall on their own merits -- why don't you and Messrs. Feely, Birch and Leasch give these candidates a chance, rather than sniping at them every chance you get? Or is it, perhaps, that you're still trying to strike back at Marty Flowers -- talk about "GETTING OVER IT" -- hypocrisy cuts in all directions, and you're certainly not immune.

Tom Brophy said...

i don't know what you guys are reading...nobody has been "sniping" at them. I said that I'm getting their names out in the brochures I've had printed and on my web site - there's no "snipping" going on. I stand by my comment that if asked ..I have to say that I will vote for Liz Flowers..nothing more than that. I guess I have to remind you too - go back and read my previous post - where in the hell did Feeley, Birch, and Laesch come from?

You too, Mr. unkonwn1, are doing nothing but spewing venom. It's not prodluctive and serves no purpose. If the 3 candidates in District 1 want to be left to their own devices and go it alone, so be it. I will respect the wishes of the candidates but they will have to tell me that - not some anonymous coward.

Try to keep your eye on the ball for a while. Does anyone remember the original point of discussion?

iamyourtruthsayer said...

Mr. Brophy I believe the English teacher was out when you posted the last. In point of fact, the original point of discussion was the Evil Reverend's info on John Laesch. So to be fair the other people posting are keeing their eye on the proverbial ball. Since the "progressives" brought this person to the table their names are linked with his. So if anyone has whiffed it's you.

Anonymous said...

Look Jim Birches Boy is back on here spreading his cheer and wisdomn upon us. Tom a question that has to be asked how does it feel to be a grunt when two years ago you were a leader in the party. Doesn't it burn your ass to know that Marty is still elected and has more pull with the central committee than you will ever have. Even after you spent all that money and time to destroy his creditablity. Wow sounds like you are jealous at least he is not the resident grunt who is expected to follow orders. I tell you that sure would piss me off to and make me respond to things the way you do.

theunknown1 said...

The word is "sniping" -- perhaps your English teacher never taught you how to use the dictionary. And candidates such as Ruby, Ken and Liz don't need your literature or your website -- perhaps keeping them off unless THEY ask to be included might be a better approach.

Anonymous said...

Well I guess Mr. Brophy will not come back to 50 miles out anymore because once again he has proven to be the but of everybody's joke here and like the man said he has imporant work to do like carry Jim Feeleys gym bag and wipe the sweat off John Laesch eye brow. And Clean the bathroom at campagain headquaters. Oh yeah don't forget to mow Jim Birches yard. Well we understand that time has been givena long list of chores to do before they will let him know where next democratic event is. Hey Tom do you do windows to.

Tom Brophy said...

How about you stop acting like Rove and get back to Laesch. Stop telling me what you know and "SHOW ME WHAT YOU KNOW". I'll stay with Ruby, Ken, and Liz as well if you want to talk about it. Your personal insults won't send me off - hell as far as I can tell, there are only a couple of folks even making noise on this topic. I guess if you can't prove your allegations or make arguments that have make a little bit of sens - resort to personal attacks and change the subject - let's coin a new phrase - "Are you Roving me?"

Anonymous said...

Tom's list of assignments
1. wash jim birches truck
2. go shopping and please restock the campagin headquaters with supplies {walmart because it fits the campagin budget}
3.empty out all the waste baskets because garbage day is soon.
4. take jim feeley to the gym
5. pick up john laesches dry cleaning.
6. Take John Laesch car for an oil change.
7. Pick Jim Feeley up at the gym
8. stuff and get ready to send out mailer and run to the post office.
9. Make sure that there is ink in the printer.
10.Please call the Newspaper and pay the bill.
please don't feel that you have been demoted look at it from this stand point if there were no indians there coundn't be chiefs. As you are confident that you are happy being the indian. It just depends on what you want out of life.

Tom Brophy said...

Enough said..it's absolutely clear to me that you have NO PROOF to back up your absurd allegations and that your real mission in life is to continue to divide the Democratic Party in Kendall County. Sorry to say - it's not working too well!

I'll be very surprised if you could come up with anything other than unfounded rumor, whisper campaign tactics, or just plain bullshit.

If ever you want to have a real discussion like an adult - you know where to find me. Although, I must admit that all of your childish bullshit does make me laugh. It's hard to imagine that there are such assholes in the world.

Anonymous said...

And your point is???

iamyourtruthsayer said...

Mr. Brophy you don't have to imagine anything. Just go into your bathroom...turn on the light and say, mirror mirror on the wall who's the biggest sanctimoniuos asshole of them all.

Anonymous said...

Tom Brophy speaks to the mainstream of truth that is needed in order to begin a dialogue to repair the damge that has been done to the party. In a bold move of unity the installed Mr. Birch as county chair. Tom played a major role in upending and no offense to the past chair and officers a party that had run its course. Being a fellow member of the council the image we wish to portray is a postive one. Tom has clearly addressed the issues of Ken Musich and Ruby Gregg he clearly thinks they are fine people but they do not work with the current programn because yes it is true and Tom has made valid points they do not fit the candiate profile of the future of the party. We have carefully cultivated a ticket that has been to be blunt a more attractive appeal to the voter. Elizabeth Flowers and John Craford and Arden Plocher fit the mold of people that when they appear on the door from our test surveys people will find them physically appealing. I am sorry even in poltics sex sells. From a marketing standpoint John Laesch, Linda Holmes, Joe Serra, and Frank Craig are percieved as confident and personable people you see living in the higher upscale neiborhoods of kendall county. Tom is to polite to speak to this. We see the importance of elect ablity and marketing as the two major points we are looking for in our quest to grow the party. Sorry folks we have the pretty people and the old guard were ugly. This was the polite point tom wanted to make.

Anonymous said...

I agree Tom is making valid points if people want to take democrats seriously then we need to address the ugly fact that we need prettier candiates. People running for office need a make over and trained and work with the DFA candiate school. Ugly people should be the worker bee's and not the talent. Thanks tom for having the courage to speak up and say what the rest of us were thinking.

Tom Brophy said...

"Pretty people"...you guys are out of your freekin' minds. How about trying to stay with the original comments about Laesch, Ruby, Ken and Liz? I guess you truly odn't have anything of substance to say.

Anonymous said...

Tom you are correct people here at 50 miles out are clearly out of lock step with the winds of change that are happening here in the county. If we could just all get on the same page the process of getting people elected would be so much easier. Tom you have led by example of what the defination of a true party loyalist should be. With respect to several comments you are right we need to stop making noise at democrats and turn our attention to the repugs. When is the next meeting of the progressive dems because letting people know puts the ball in their court and can not say you habe not done your job. thank tom keep up the good work.

Tom Brophy said...

The Progressive Dems meet the 1st Monday of every month and the Kendall Democratic Central Committee meets on the 4th Monday of every month. Right now both meet at the Panera Bread in Yorkville off Rt 47 and Rt 34. Both meetings start at 7:00PM.

Check them both out at:
www.kendall-democrats.org
www.pdckc.org

Anonymous said...

I am continually frustrated because I have no idea what Tom & his band of progressives stand for. Fine, so you've upset the previous structure -- that isn't enough. Has Jim Birch ever done anything worth noting, other than sticking his foot in his mouth? It's positively bizarre to create change for the hell of creating change or because of personal vendettas -- if someone has some concrete plans (other than renting a booth at the County Fair or marching in a parade) I'd love to see them... how about education, social programs, planned growth versus unlimited "sprawl" -- has any progressive said anything about any of these issues in the last 3 months? What sells is ideas -- physical attractiveness has amazingly little to do with it. So I'd suggest that anyone running for office get up in the morning, look in the mirror & say to themselves 5 or 10 times "it's not about ME." The sooner the progressives learn this, the nearer we'll all be to building a democratic party in Kendall County.

Anonymous said...

Clearly anonymous does not understand -- ie the imporantce of electing democrats and quailfied democrats. In the old structure this was immpossible because Good men like Jim Birch were pushed out the door and treated like dirt. So yeah there are hard feelings on our part. Tom clearly makes these points clear hello the guy was a dictor. He never did anything to grow the party. Now we are in charge and every where we go we run into the samething what is the problem in kendall. It drives us nuts here we are trying to bring an open discussion to the table and we are the bad guys. This is bull-- shit. Get off our backs we will support who we want. Clearly Tom is just to polite to say this so other people will. He told you where the meeting was and he has given all of our point of view. Screw the old strutre and we do not need your support. We get results look at the primary we increased the democratic vote Marty is no longer permitted to join us at meetings and we ensured that the real democrats had a voice. Get over yourselves take your mindless heads out of the gutter and when people here are serious about electing real democrats you know where to find us the 1st Monday of each month at Panera Bread or you can catch us the 4th Monday of every month same location both meetings start at 7pm. We have plenty of work to do like retire that fat asshole in november. Thanks Tom for posting the meeting here.

Anonymous said...

Tom clearly makes these points clear hello the guy was a dictor. He never did anything to grow the party. Now we are in charge...

Cute - us versus them again. And the word you wanted was, I think DICTATOR.

Although, I must admit that all of your childish bullshit does make me laugh. It's hard to imagine that there are such assholes in the world.

Tom Brophy said...

Personnally, I think Marty and his family should attend at least the Central Committee meetings on the 4th Monday of the month. I also think he and his family should get involved in the Oswego Township organization. More ideas are better and I know he has an historical perspective that most of us do not. Nonetheless, there is a new county chairman and a new township chairman - both of these guys need to be given the chance to lead. I'm confident they will both do a great job.

Now, back to the original questions - got any proof about your unfounded rumors regarding Laesch. Also, do you have anything better about Ken and Ruby and do I still pretend to not support Liz? (I will still support her run no matter what).

Anonymous said...

flipping and flopping more than a fish out of water at this point. I gotta say that none of this lends to his credibility. Tom this seems to be what your are doing now. Is that before or after you kick the flowers family while they are down yet again. LOL there are alot of great new people who got involved to make a change. You do not represent the new voices of the central committee. You represent the old Kendall County Guard that was responseable for disbanding the party back in 1992. So based on your theory of this marriage it is something old {Jim Birch and his cronies} something new { 16 new P/C's and something borrowed { the Flowers Family}. That really is an intresting persceptive Tom.

Tom Brophy said...

Sorry to point out an obvious lie - I didn;'t even live in Kendall County in 1992 - you idiot!

Also, i truly believe that if Marty and family wish to participate with the Kendall County Democrats - they should join us for an evening. Whoever you are, you really need to GET OVER IT - it seems that the rest of us have.

Anonymous said...

John Laesch is running against Hastert and wants to return the American Dream to the 14th Congressional District and all Americans. Go to John's web site to contact him and find out more information about him.

MARK GUETHLE AND BETH PENESIS--Candidates for State Central Committee
Both Mark and Beth have been avid supporters of the Democratic Party. Mark is currently the Chairman of the Kane County Democratic organization and Beth has been a strong supporter of every Democratic organization in the 14th Congressional District. Mark and Beth will help move the Kendall County Democratic
organization forward by bringing better information to us from the State committee. They have also pledged to help us with better training within our precincts.

LINDA HOLMES--Candidate for State Senate in the 42nd Legislative District.
Linda is a resident of Aurora and has been active in the Democratic Party of Kane County. Like Mark Guethle and Beth Penesis, Linda is not "business as usual". Linda Holmes will bring a breath of fresh air to our 42nd Senate Legislative District.

FRANK CRAIG--Candidate for State Senate in the 24th Legislative District.
Although Frank is not in our 42nd District, I felt it important to let those residents who live in the 25th know about him. Frank Craig is working for the residents of the 25th District and deserves your support--VOTE FOR FRANK CRAIG.

REN BAHR--Candidate for Precinct Committeeman in Oswego Precinct 7
I also think it's important for the residents in Montgomery who live in the 7th Precinct to know that Ren is running against the current Democratic Party Chairman. Ren needs to be elected--by doing so, the voters in the 7th Precinct will ensure that our Democratic Organization will begin to move forward in a positive direction. VOTE FOR REN BAHR!
Gee Liar this was taken off your Direct web page this was your candiates page in the primary. Funny Tom no mention of Liz, Ken , or Ruby. Funny how none of the statewides are not listed on your web page. FYI Tom love how your guy lost to marty. He does not need your permission he is elected just like you. Once again Tom you are losing your argument and poor little cry baby has to call people names. At least you aren't swearing anymore after Jim Feeley washed your dirty mouth out with soap.

Anonymous said...

John Laesch is running against Hastert and wants to return the American Dream to the 14th Congressional District and all Americans. Go to John's web site to contact him and find out more information about him.

The Evil Rev and the local Republicans know plenty -- so why don't you share it, Tom -- local Democrats want to know.

Anonymous said...

I just read any interesting thread from another blog (kc quibbler) about some of the anitics and mis-information supplied about the pdckc and the junta (as the evil rev likes to call them.) Seems there are a lot of poeple out there who are the not so silent majority in disliking the tactics of thugary displayed by the birch society.

Tom Brophy said...

Like I stated earlier - I didn't like the dictator tactics of Marty and I did something about it - just as you could do. Perhaps if Marty worked harder, he would still be chairman - he's not - so let's move on.

As far as Laesch goes...SHOW ME WHAT YOU KNOW...here we go with the Rove tactics again...

Anonymous said...

"Like I stated earlier - I didn't like the dictator tactics of Marty and I did something about it - just as you could do. Perhaps if Marty worked harder, he would still be chairman - he's not - so let's move on." You admit it you had a personal score to settle with Marty. You are responseable for the complete dismantling of the central committee. Marty did not work hard at being chairman are these your offical statements. Just want to the our facts straight.

Tom Brophy said...

You truly are an idiot! Go back and read what was written before - maybe you have a memory problem. Go back and re--read my last post - perhaps you have a comprehension problem.

I didn't like Marty's tactics and worked to get someone in place who I felt would do a better job. I worked to get him elected - if Marty worked harder at getting re-elected as chairman - perhaps he would still be chairman - GOT IT?

There's nothing personal about this - you idiot - it's all about one voter doing fulfilling his responsibility to ensure the most qualified candidate (in that voters opinion) is elected to office. Do I need to get an attoney to start writing this shit for me or can you get a clue and get back on my frequency?

Let's get back to the proof on Laesch - if you can.

Anonymous said...

The central committee has been dismantled? Last time I checked it meets on the fourth Monday of every month. That doesn't seem dismantled, from my perspective it is a thriving organization. As far as I am concerned if you don't want to join in and help, who needs ya.

Anonymous said...

Temper Temper little ones. Remeber the 1st rule one learns at progressive day camp we are all one body,one spirt and we all have one mind. So please be respectful of your thoughts and answers because we do not really want people to think for themselves. Tom you have gone out and paid a friend to support you.Well that does show a thriving organization does'nt. Well have a good one little ones.

Anonymous said...

I guess you would have to know Marty to understand. Marty didn't reply because he couldn't. There is no way he could explain why he would attempt to run candidates as precinct committeeman when they don't even live in that particular precinct. Come to our next meeting - we could talk about it.

Anonymous said...

You truly are an idiot! Go back and read what was written before - maybe you have a memory problem. Go back and re--read my last post - perhaps you have a comprehension problem.

Anonymous said...

You two ROCK!

Anonymous said...

So you say you want Marty and family to come back to the fold but then you do nothing but slag on him. How welcoming you are Brophy. Maybe it's just a comprehension problem you have but when you continuously abuse people they don't tend to want to make nice with you. JACKASS!

Anonymous said...

Thank you, my comeback was very inspired. I didn't say I don't want people to participate. I don't want whiney childish people like youself to participate. It's no great loss to the rest of us. In fact, we are a better organization with out you

Anonymous said...

OH, the party of inclusion is at it again. And since Tom is all-knowing, or paints himself that way, he'd like to tell us all about Laesch.

Anonymous said...

Well isn't that interesting. Some moron has take a direct quote from another blog and pasted it into this one totally out of context. Once again you have proven yourself as uninspired and unimaginative. Martin has been contacted several times to attend meetings and also is e-mailed on all communications to the precinct committeepersons. It is he who has not responded and that is no ones fault but his own.

Anonymous said...

How do you know Marty has not responded?

Tom Brophy said...

This has got to be some of the most childish crap I've ever participated in - I can't believe I'm still doing this. I do have to admit that it's great fun seeing what complete assholes some of the anon folks are - perhaps is't an ADD thing or something because they clearly can't stay on point. It's like they trow out a bunch of crap to see what will stick.

As far as me giving you the scoops on Laesch - not my job. I'm supporting the man - it's you assholes who are throwing out the unfounded rumors and starting the whisper campaigns. I just want you to substantiate your false allegations - and they will remain FALSE ALLEGATIONS to me until you can prove them. I've been asking for that proof for months - so far all I've gotten is more bullshit!

Regarding Marty attending and participating in meetings - he knows when and where they are - he has a vehicle and the ability to drive - I don't know why he doesn't show up. As for the bullshit about the "slag on him" - please don't flatter yourself. He is not the main topic of discussion during any of the meetings. I also have to say that Jim Birch and Jack Sechrest are much kinder about Marty than Marty EVER WAS TO THEM. That just makes me believe that Birch and Sechrest are bigger men. Those in control of the PDC and KCD's have moved on - it's about fucking time you do as well! JUST GET OVER IT (and get over yourself as well)!

It's time to get down to business - let's get some Democrats elected. We have a great oppotunity this year to make that happen. Why waste our time with this bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Listen Numbnuts! I never even said Birch or Sechrest said anything about Martin. I said you personally beat this dead horse. You said in one comment right here on 50 Miles "Also, i truly believe that if Marty and family wish to participate with the Kendall County Democrats - they should join us for an evening." In the next two post you have you say and I quote again, "I didn't like Marty's tactics " and "I didn't like the dictator tactics of Marty and I did something about it". So you personally use him as your own little punching bag about how he wouldn't let you play your little games. I am saying that YOU slag on Flowers and Co. So why the hell would they want anything to do with an organization that you seem so involved in? I won't even get into the Birch and Sechrest angle. And as for knowing they are bigger men I'm sure you think you know since you've been sucking them off for years. I'm saying who wants to hang out with whiney bitches like you Brophy?

Anonymous said...

Well, lets see... How do I know he has not responded. Mainly because I have never seen him at a meeting. Unless he is dressing in drag and has changed his name to Krystal, I can be pretty sure he has not been there. Although I would have noticed a cross dresser named Krystal maybe he is disguised in some other way, perhaps he is the invisible man or The Flash. I do know that he has been contacted through several channels and has yet to make an appearence.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like Krystal is you alter personality. FYI that blue dress you wear arond the back yard is very becomming on you. Stay in Touch.

Anonymous said...

Hehehe Tom, I think yer gettin under his/her skin. I didn't know your nuts were numb... vasectemy malfunction?

I like hanging out with Tom, He is funny, smart and personable, he works hard and has a nice wife. Actually I think a lot of people like hangin with Tom.

Don't you like hanging out with funny, smart and personable people? Or is it that they don't like hanging out with you?

Anonymous said...

That comment about Mart either being a cross dresser named Krystal or being a super hero was clever and funny at least some people can still keep a sense of humor that was real funny. Good One great.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, but I am partial to the light green one. But it's not the dress, it's the silk crotchless panties I wear underneath that get me going.

Anonymous said...

Attacking familes is wrong and bringing personally family into this discussion is wrong. Mrs. Brophy is not involved sure she is very nice however please leave family out of this. Tom speaks for himself and not her on thse blogs so knock off about Mrs.Brophy or any of the progressive familes and regular democrats as well. That is wrong and stupid leave that out of the disscussion.

Anonymous said...

Great post that is funny about your under wear

Anonymous said...

Attacking familes is wrong and bringing personally family into this discussion is wrong. Mrs. Brophy is not involved sure she is very nice however please leave family out of this. What the hell are you talking about?

Anonymous said...

I like how you pick up on the fact that you don't think he has numb nuts but don't deny he's been sucking Birch and Sechrest off. You really do know Tom, eh?

Anonymous said...

I will let Tom defend himself on the obviously stupid stuff. I don't believe I expressed any knowledge as to the state of Tom's nuts. I understand your inablility to pick up on the facetiousness of the comment, as it takes intellegence and imagination to understand those kinds of things.

Anonymous said...

Intellegence and imagination are in the eye of the beholder.

Anonymous said...

I don't see either one around here. And, Tom, as for rumors and innuendo about Mr. Laesch, perhaps asking his two largest proponents might get you what you've been looking for...although i'm quite sure you already know it & are playing dumb (no wait, you are dumb, and don't have to play at it at all) for the benefit of all the progressives who've already shot you down. Really Tom, those morons are not your friends.

Anonymous said...

Personally I think this is a bunch of nonsense. I have known Tom for 2 years and will speak to his creditablity. I got to know Tom after he started attending our progressive council meetings. To question Tom's leadership skills and loyality is just insane. Look at Tom's record he has supported Jim Birch since september of 03. Because of Tom's efforts we are no longer a stagant party. We are doing events, we have more P/C's tom was instrumental in recruting the 5 county board candiates. Tom helped early to support John Laesch early. Tom help to recruit Linda Holmes and Frank Craig for state senate. Tom helped pave the way for Joe Serra to run in the 50th il house of reps. Tom is the first man to volunteer and he always puts his check book up first. With out this dedicated man the council would not have been a reality and the central committee would not be where we are today. To say that Tom is imporant to us is an understatement. If you would just stop all the nonsense and come to one of the meetings and meet Tom you would fine a fine man of charactor and dedication. We begged Tom to take a leadership role and like the true humble person he is he thankfully declined because Tom wishes to just be a party supporter. So now that you have the facts why don't all of the anon leave flowers on marty's grave so we can all move on.

Anonymous said...

Hey jagoff - why don't you use your own material.

Anonymous said...

The problem is that many of us know Tom for a lot longer than two years...which is way too long. He's a foul-mouthed, knit-picking SOB who spent two years trying to destroy Martin Flowers, along with his fat friend. He's incapable of an independent thought and takes credit where none is due. How's that for a resume? (Because every damn bit of it is true...) The party is no longer stagnant, it's moribund (and look up the word if you don't know it.) As for backing candidates, doing so without thinking about what they stand for is a real leap of faith; merely because some county chair pushes doesn't mean that people are qualified.

Anonymous said...

I wish to reply to the last post. Tom Brophy clearly has a resume that you are jealous of and I agree SOB stand for someone of brillance. Tom is the a brilliant asset to the party. Tom is full of good ideas and we are sincerly grateful for his leadership and vast poltical experince. So another line of from the Karl Rove faction.

Anonymous said...

Get real -- some of us have been political animals since before you were born, and resent the fact that Tom Brophy spent 4 years destroying the Kendall County Democratic Party. I'm not going to get any more personal about Mr. Brophy, except to say that I'd suggest he watch his checkbook -- unemployment gets expensive. But as for the progressives, perhaps there are 50,000 neurons among the whole bunch -- that amounts to far less than half a brain.

Anonymous said...

We have tried to be reasonable. All people want to do is tear down someone who has been a supporter of what true grass roots efforts needs to be. Get over yourself IMHO the reign of the Flowers being over is a good thing. Thanks to dedicated american patriots like Tom who helped pave the way for Democrats to win. So the last laugh will be on you when all of us are rasing a glass in Washington honoring the next congressmen and the first round will be on your expense.
" Dealing with justice requires passion"

Anonymous said...

Now isn't the take over by the Birch Society smelling fishier and fishier every day?

Anonymous said...

You'll have to wait until 2008. And I wouldn't suggest letting John Laesch anywhere near alcohol.

Frank Craig said...

On behalf of all the candidates who need all the support we can get from all good democrats, can we PLEASE declare a truce and get to work to defeat the Republicans who have been so succesful in screwing up our communities? I have a lot of respect for the Flowers family for all the good work they have done to help build the party. I also believe that Jim Birch and the rest of the newly elected officials deserve a fair chance to succeed. If we take the energy that I have seen in this blog and channel it into winning in November, we can truly be an amazing force. Please join with me and the other worthy candidates who want and need your support. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Never trust a man with two first names!

Anonymous said...

Frank, unfortunately you have the misfortune of running on a ticket headed by a candidate who is truly unqualified. Your message is a good one, but I'm afraid it's not going to be heard. Each of us needs to get out & do what we can to help, but help the candidates by volunteering for them directly -- ignore the inmates who are now attempting to run the asylum.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your sincere post. You make valid points that all Democrats have to take into consideration. Good Luck you are doing a great job.

Tom Brophy said...

OK - who's getting personal now! To date, none of you sissy little anon folks have been able to put anything out here that has any validity. It's very brave to slam my character and throw out all kinds of bullshit while hiding behind anonymity.

When this began, I wanted to have a political conversation hoping that you would have something of worth to say. It's become obvious that there will be no resolution here based on the prior posts. This is completely absurd! This is ecxactly what was happening 2 years ago (that's when I got involved with the KCD's - not 4 years ago) when Marty refused to even attempt to unite the Democrats in Kendall County - that's what cause the PDC to come to life. Also, because I didn't like the way Marty ran the party (and did something about it) doesn't mean I'm going to "slag" on him whenever I see him - you folks need to differentiate between business and bullshit. C'mon folks - GET A GRIP!

We have some excellent candidates running for office in this county - I believe that Frank Craig and Linda Holmes will win. I believe that Liz Flowers, Joe Plocher, and John Crawford will win. I believe that Joe Serra will win. I also believe that JOHN LAESCH will win. I believe that these candidates can win in spite of you and this idotdic bullshit. If your goal is to keep candidates from being elected and allow the repugs to control Kendall County for another 2 years - you're doing a good job.

If you truly believe that the candidates who are running don't deserve to be there, come to one of the meetings and tell everyone why. Cause the rest of us to NOT support these candidates if you can. Personally, I don't believe that's possible - you are the ones making this into a personal vendeta - not Birch and Sechrest or me for that matter.

There is no reason why Marty and his family (and his family is as involved as he) should not attend the meetings - everyone is welcome whether you choose to accept it is up to you. Is it that the Flowers feel they have nothing to offer because none of them have attended a meeting? After 12 years of running the Democratic Party in Kendall County, I can't understand why they would not attend except that THEY must have the personal vendetta and their particular venom is the exact reason why there needed to be new blood in the organization. POWER CORRUPTS AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.

If their goal and motivation was not all about the power, but was for the good of the party, then there is no reason why they wouldn't attend, participate, and help.

If you want to have a discussion about advancing the Democratic Party - GREAT LET'S DO IT! If you want to continue this personal bullshit - do it at home or someplace where it won't harm the candidates. This personal BS clearly shows why there needed to be a change in leadership - it's this same venom that was present in the leadership 2 years ago - that's what caused me to find a different venue because I am a Democrat. Poisen does not belong here. This poisen will allow the repugs to control this county until the democrats get smart enough to remove our heads from our asses and GET TOGETHER!

I have to agree with Frank Craig, and I've been saying this all along - if we all spent as much time working to get Democrats elected as is spent spewing poison here - WE WOULD ALL BE MUCH BETTER OFF!

BTW, if I choose to wear a blue dress and crotchless panties while in the comfort of my backyard, that's my business. As a Democrat, I believe we all have a right to do that!

Let's get to work and get our candidates elected.

Anonymous said...

I have watched these blogs for months. I finally decided to respond to several items Tom has brought up.

1. “Marty didn’t work hard enough” I won’t go into great detail Tom because quite honestly you and your group don’t need the details. However I will say that Martin had a choice to make during that time period. He could either fight the progressives or he could help my Mother fight for her life. He worked hard as hell during those months and we all continue to fight hard in that aspect. It has and will continue to be a long convalescence. Time consuming would be an understatement. I hope that you never have to make a decision as hard as this. Your passion or your parent. I tend to think that Martin made the right choice.

2. “There is no reason why Marty and his family (and his family is as involved as he) should not attend the meetings - everyone is welcome whether you choose to accept it is up to you. Is it that the Flowers feel they have nothing to offer because none of them have attended a meeting? After 12 years of running the Democratic Party in Kendall County, I can't understand why they would not attend except that THEY must have the personal vendetta and their particular venom is the exact reason why there needed to be new blood in the organization. POWER CORRUPTS AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.”
To my knowledge we have missed ONE meeting (the May meeting). Catherine sent email to Kelly explaining that we had a conflict on that night that would be ending soon. Catherine has sent any information that Kelly has asked for to her. Seems to me that is cooperation. I already mentioned that our mother’s illness is still on going, and requires us to be home to help her. When one of us has something to do on a particular night, the others have to be home to help out. Nothing “venomous” about that other than that is the way it is. Sorry if that upsets you.


3. “If their goal and motivation was not all about the power, but was for the good of the party, then there is no reason why they wouldn't attend, participate, and help.”
I signed up with the Progressive Council in March. I have never made a post there, but I wanted to be able to keep working with and for Democrats. Since you people were in charge, I joined. I felt that was an “olive branch”. By the way I want to point out that by signing up on this site, your email was supposed to be added to the list so that you were kept informed of events and whatever else the council sent out on email. To date I have NEVER received an email from the Progressive Council. I am led to believe that in 3 months they just haven’t sent out email… or more likely they decided that they didn’t want to include me. Also, my email address was on the old Kendall County Democrats website. I know it worked because I often got email from people. However the new leadership has again not sent me any sort of email. Again I can only take this to mean that they do not want to include me.


4. “This personal BS clearly shows why there needed to be a change in leadership - it's this same venom that was present in the leadership 2 years ago - that's what caused me to find a different venue because I am a Democrat. Poisen does not belong here. This poisen will allow the repugs to control this county until the democrats get smart enough to remove our heads from our asses and GET TOGETHER!” The Flowers’ are not the ones spewing venom or poison. The only poison that I have seen has come from your own poisoned pen Tom.


6. One last thing that I wanted to address. It is Martin and Elizabeth, not Marty and Liz. Anyone that knows Martin knows that he isn’t called Marty. So either your pretending you know Martin and Elizabeth, or more likely you are being disrespectful. Which is it Tom?


Jennifer Flowers

Anonymous said...

So it appears Mr. Brophy has been caught lying again. Why am I not suprised by this. Perhaps as most of the other bloggers have pointed out there is Tom Brophy's version then there is reality. This makes me more concerned than ever before about the info regarding John Laesch. Apparntly Mr. Brophy has had this for "months" and has done nothing about it. His feigned shock at the begining (until it was revealed that he was given info via email months ago) and his ever present bravado when demanding proof about this rumor. Seems to me Tom that had I had "months" of knowlege on this I would have asked a few questions, yet you pretended ignorance. From rereading this blog I can only have 1 opinion of you. This opinion has been formed from what you have posted here. You are a liar. You will use and say anything to advance your own purpose. All the things that you have "accused" Martin of you are guilty of yourself. Yes Mr Brophy power corrupts, and you are the poster child for this statement. As for Birch and Sechrest being kinder to "marty" than he was to them. I remember some very unflattering letters to the editor from people like yourself and others some of whom, by their own admission, have never met Martin or any of the Flowers family. How did they come by these opinions. I must assume that they were told by the members of the PDCKC. Of which you are a member. Yet your meetings are not about him. How many times must you lie to us? You are a hypocrite of the worst kind. You have no Honor.

iamyourtruthsayer said...

I did some digging and here is what I've found. These are the statements of Martin Flowers.

“You know what, from my perspective, I think we need to move past it,” he said. “As far as the challenges, I don’t believe we need to speak to them. I think we need to move forward.” Legder 02/9/2006.

"The Kendall County Democratic organization will welcome all those involved," Flowers said. "One party, one message." Ledger 10/07/2004

Looks like there are those that won't GET OVER IT. and Mr. Flowers is not one of them.

Tom Brophy said...

Jennifer,
Thank you for coming out in the open. It's nice to have a discussion with someone who isn't hiding behind anonymity. Also, I apologize for taking so long to respond - it seems I've allowed yard work, little league, work, and other meetings to take control...what can I say?

I want you to know that Marnie and I are keeping good thoughts for you, your mother, and your family during this time. We both know how difficult it is not only to attempt to help sick parents, but lose them and siblings as well. We're both glad that she is fighting and that appears to be paying off. Your entire family deserves Kudo's for your efforts. We both know how committed you and your siblings are to your family - too bad more Americans don't hold the same family bonds.

Since you've been watching these blogs for months, you must know the pure BS that's been flowing from them. There's been a great deal of words printed about the PDC knocking "Martin's candidates" off the ballot and overthrowing the Democratic Party. This is nothing your brother didn't do 2 years ago. That's not personal - that's taking care of business - you know it as well as I do. If you want to go down the personal road...then you'll have to admit that Martin started down that path 2 years ago when he knocked off the "Birch candidates".

Also, you must admit that Martin truly didn't work as hard as some of these folks are saying at "unifying" the county. Surely you must remember the moment that my wife and I were summoned to your home so that you and your mother could scold us for talking about bringing Birch into the picture and wanting to set "party unification" as a top goal for our Outreach Committee. We were forbidden to talk to him - we were told that he was a "bad" man - made threats against other democrats...all kinds of crap. To be perfectly honest, that's where you lost my wife - that's when she stopped being involved and the Democratic organization lost a GREAT supporter. After that meeting, we met with Brich and the PDC and found a group who truly was welcoming. Also, you know as well as I do that if anyone had a reason to shut me personnally out, it was Jim Birch. I conducted the county convention in 2004 and totally slammed his window in support of your brother. I didn't know Jim Brich at the time, and I thought I knew your brother - I only wish I knew then what I had come to learn a few months later.

Back to party unity, you also have to admit that Martin changed his meeting date to conflict with the PDC meetings. That forced guys like Feeley and I to choose between organizations. It was unfortunate that I had to attend every other meeting of the KCD's because of that. While it's true I did attend the meetings, don't mistake my lack of participation in the meetings with support for Martin - I was there because that's the only place I could get information about the happenings in the party. I did not vote on anything nor did I offer anything unless I was asked. I was there to get information because there was none coming from your brother to me. You held your closed door meetings and decided what was going to happen and what was not going to happen. The meetings really didn't produce anything and, frankly, were not very well attended anyway. The Treasurer resigned her postion and nobody was ever informed of it. Jim Feeley found it while looke at the SBE site one day and when asked about it during the March (I think it was March) meeting, Martin said you had a Treasurer. How long was he intending to go before he told us we needed to elect a new Treasurer? So, let's be honest about being open.

Regarding meetings missed - if there were famly responsibilities - then so be it. I do know that there were candidate events that nobody from the Flowers family attended. Perhaps this is because they occured PRIOR to the primary in March, but so what! If you and anyone in your family wanted to be involved in the candidate events, voter registration drives, or any of the meetings - you could have just shown up. I freely admit that I chose to not participate in the KCD events - I think you could do the same about the PDC.

I can't comment on the e-mail from the PDC site - I just post information there and really don't know how the mechanics of the web site works. I do know that Kelly and William are holding a "training session" for the new leaders of that organization regarding the web site and mailing lists, etc... that was done last night. I'm sorry I don't have an answer for you there - perhaps William can chime in if he reads this. I'm sure that nobody chose to exclude you or your family.

Now, do you really want to go down the poison spewing road? Perhaps we can go back to the primary in 2004 when your brother refused to hand out Chico or Obama signs - as a matter of fact, he told me to just "throw those in the garbage"...the only signs he was interested in handing out were Hynes sings. I admit, I liked Hynes as well - only because he and his family grew up around the corner from me. I did, however, have voters in my precinct who wanted Obama signs and I didn't have them. I drove to Rockford to get them from the Obama for Senate campaing office there. Those were the same signs we put on the float for the parades. Let's talk about the Montgomery parade where your brother started to scream that the "Birch" signs had to come off the float or the float was not going in the parade - or how about when your father and brother were about to physically thrash Mike Barr because he was putting a Mary Jane Belk sign on the float - how dare he after you, your family, and your mother spent so much time making signs - his apparently had no place there. I can also talk about the occassion when I knew for certain that I was done with Martin and the KCD's. During one of his meetings after the convention in 2004, Birch showed up, asked a few
questions, Marty just got in his face in front of God and everybody and shut him up. It was rude, out of line, and aboslutely uncalled for. The guy was asking a legitimate question - instead of answering it, your brother chose to shout him down and insult him in front of everyone - NOT GOOD BUSINESS! That's when I decided I needed to talk with this "Birch guy" to find the other side of the story. The venom never stopped about Birch and crew...

Finally, to address our last point - as you can see I've been referring to Martin as such - not Marty. I admit, you got me there - but then you already knew that. The entire "Marty" thing started to become fun - especially with him giving me the "Tommy" thing. I thought that was very well done on his part. As for Elizabeth - I meant NO DISRESPECT. Typing Liz is much easier than Elizabeth and I thought I've heard her referred to as Liz by you and Martin. I've always enjoyed talking to Elizabeth and sincerely meant no discrepect to her - I apologize for that one.

Now Jennifer, what do you think about all of the unfounded rumor and whisper tactics about John Laesch? There have been cowards here, and the vile rearend who state that I've had this information for months but chose to do nothing with it. Sure, the asshole sent me an e-mail with the rumor explained in one sentence - I replied and asked for more - that never came. If there is something to this, I would like to know. If this is what I believe, an unfounded rumor, don't you think that we, as good Democrats, should insist that the BS stop right now! In my opinion, all this is going to do is cause those republicans who think Hastert is useless (and those folks are out there) to not vote for anyone running for Congress. Don't you think that we would better serve the Democrats and this country if we could cultivate those votes and get Hastert fired?

Jennifer, I know you are passionate about the Democratic Party. You know the SBE laws and have a technical ability that will serve the Democrats of the county well. Just because I personnally don't like your brother doesn't mean I can't work with him or anyone in your family. I don't have a problem making a distinction between business and bullshit - I have to do it everyday. We need to ask ourselves one question - Will I allow "this guy" who really pisses me off to keep me from getting Democrats elected, or is getting Democrats elected the most important issue? I choose to get Democrats elected - how about you?

Anonymous said...

I think Tom Brophy has a crush on Marty Flowers sure sounds like he got a dear john letter and now sounds like a jillted lover. KIT Tom

Anonymous said...

And, Tom, there are some us who find John Laesch so repugnant and so completely unethical that we'd rather not vote -- and we're Democrats, not Republicans. Democrats will have to do much better if they ever want to be elected to anything. If you want the truth about Laesch, you have a friend you might ask, as he's been in bed with Laesch since the beginning -- and it isn't Martin Flowers, either.

Tom Brophy said...

GREAT - tell me who. I really don't have time to guess. So far, all I've gotten here is a bunch of "sneaky Pete bullshit" - give me some substance. I will not run with innuendo. You know how to contact me off-line if you need to.

Anonymous said...

Yeah you left it on the wall a the truck stop. If you want to change the world call Tom Brophy.

Anonymous said...

JF

Anonymous said...

Jim Feeley

Tom Brophy said...

I'll ask him when I see him next - I loke to look into someones eyes when I ask a question like this. I'll post what he tells me. However, at this point, I can tell you that Jim has NEVER lied to me.

Anonymous said...

Tom Everyone lies to you because you think everyone is out to get you. Here's a reality check for you most people think your a clown that is ok Tom the rodeo is looking for a few good men.

Tom Brophy said...

Everyone lies to me because I think everyone's out to get me?? You really are a fucking idiot! When I see Jim, and I expect to see him within the next week or so, I will ask him the questions I need to. He won't lie, and if he does, I'll be able to see it in his face.

Anonymous said...

Your a misguided misfit yeah looking into his eye's you are going to be able to tell that he's telling the truth. Tom you really did just fall off the turnip truck. The only thing that people want from you is your money and time and to do the work that nobody elese will do. They dismiss your idea's and have no respect for your leadership skills. Fiqure it out before it is to late Tom the issue here is that you are the court jester and the town goof. The handwriting is on the wall just read where it says thanks tom but we have decided to go in another direction and your help is no longer required. Keep an eye open Tom there is change in the wind and you are not part of that change thanks for playing.

Tom Brophy said...

Sounds like "sour grapes" talk to me. What you clearly don't understand is that I will getas involved as I choose to or I will be as univolved as I choose to. If I offer an opinion or make a suggestion and people go for - fine - if someone has a better idea - that's fine to. I'm not real stuck on myself and don't need to force my opnions on anyone.

Finally - you say there's change in the wind - THAT'S GREAT! New blood and new ideas are always welcome - keeps things from getting stale.

Anonymous said...

This just came to my attention and I thought it bore on the topic here. I want to thank Ben for being so open about the people he's been spending time with and listening to. The fact that they have made you into the joke of the YDA is something I am sure you will have no problem with.
The following was taken from a Bristol Township myspace account under vote for Ben.

"I am senior in High School who has become very active in local politics. I was the first Volunteer on the John Laesch for U.S. congress campaign (www.john06.com) and have been working hard ever since to oust the speaker of the house, Dennis Hastert. Currently I am working to start my own political action committee to raise local awareness on the negative effects Wal-Mart will have on Oswego. After working with John Laesch, Frank Craig, Joe Serra, Jim Birch, Mark Guethle(gate-lee) and many other true democrats I began to see that the democratic party here in Kendall County is not weak because of the quality of local candidates. The democratic party is weak out here because of local organization which was run by rampant greed and favoritism for over 10 years. I have talked to candidates who are running for all offices from Precinct committeeman to U.S. Congress and almost all of them can recall being on the wrong side of these types of counterproductive tactics. The previous Chairman of the Kendall County Democrats is the current president of the Young Democrats of Illinois and he is polluting our organization with the same type of partisan aristocratic politics that resulted in Kendall county becoming a red island in a sea of blue. As your next president of the Illinois Young Democrats I will work tirelessly to help our local candidates without using greedy strong arm tactics. I will also work to make sure new volunteers of all ages and creed will stay active and enthusiastic about helping out by utilizing computerized record keeping and holding social fundraisers. It is time to show Illinois and the rest of the country that with proper leadership and encouragement young democrats have the energy, power, and voice to change the course of history!"

To any and all who've stated that Jim Birch never makes disparging comments about Martin Flowers I would like to sumbit this as evidence to the contrary. Finally to Mr. Brophy wake up and smell the shit you are shoveling. Revisionist history is something that can hurt everyone. Do you want to live in a world where the Holocaust "didn't" happen? What ever is said about the Flowers' they did not create "a red island in a sea of blue" they stopped that isalnd from forming. Pardon me for getting the facts correct but to do otherwise jeprodizes everything the democratic party stands for. Like the Flowers' before me I won't let that happen in Kendall again.

Anonymous said...

This is, without a doubt the most distasteful blog I have ever encountered. What is the age group of these bloggers? they appear to be "middle school", low achievers and suffering from some very low self esteem issues. Obviously, they possess no class what so ever, Instead of calling yourselves Dems, why don't you call yourselves "dim witted losers" who doesn't give a damn how this reflects on the Democratic party? Little wonder a democrat is never elected in Kendall County. It appears a lot of villages are missing their idiots. Is this filth blogging, your only means of expressing yourself.? Are you too cowardly to express youselves by name? dumb question, very obvious!!not unlike the KKK-working in the darkness in sheets. Past time to "suck it up" Hate mongers just have "no" game and need their coats pulled. the dialog reeks of "turn coats". Stop and think of how you would feel if anonymous cowards ruined your reputation. would you have the nerve to call some one a "p***y to their face? I think NOT. you make Foley look like an "honest man" for getting caught. And yes, there are ways to track online users down. Then who are you going to call? This sure saddens me. I am a proud Democrat. And will keep my distance from anyone who acts in such a cowardly manner.I realize my reply will have absolutely zero affect on the cowards of the county. As this is their only means of "power."In the light of day they always play the "victims".I appreciate these kind do NOT {I hope} represent so many fine outstanding residents of the County.I had no idea,after visiting relatives -here and in Dupage, such character's were lurking in the darkness.We'll just retire in the Cape Cod area.That is, after I have a burgular alarm installed in my parents home!Karli Lantz